When you walk past the Prince Charles Cinema in the heart of London’s West End, you may notice that the marquee above the entrance has a small, permanent sign that boasts that this is the home of Tommy Wiseau’s The Room. Like a miniature version of his infamous Los Angeles billboard, Wiseau eerily glares down on passersby, but Tommy Wiseau and Greg Sestero can also be witnessed in person at this location, as they visit the cinema at frequent intervals. Here, Wiseau and Sestero introduce the film that brought them cult fame, take questions from the crowd – albeit Wiseau rarely answers any – and throw footballs back and forth to fans in the Leicester Square side street outside the cinema.
As a result, the cinema has become particularly famous for the wild energy that fills it when The Room audiences let loose with endless, heckling roars and a monsoon of spoons – mostly plastic ones, however, cinema manager Paul Vickery does recall a few unfortunate incidents involving metal spoons – which requires the staff to take swift action to get it all cleaned up before the next flock of cult film fans fill the room for yet another of the frequently sold out screenings.
This has clearly not escaped James Franco, as he and his brother Dave take the stage after a special preview screening of their new film The Disaster Artist has just finished to a standing ovation from the sold out screen.
“Tommy and Greg – the real ones – say that this is the best theater to show The Room in the world!”
As James’ icebreaker causes significant cheering from the ecstatic crowd, the Francos begin to go into more detail about the production of their new film, which has not only opened to wide critical acclaim, but has also won several awards already. While James simply states that he found it to be an incredibly fun experience, younger brother Dave elaborates.
“This was the first time the two of us have worked together in a substantial way. My wife and some of my best friends were also in the movie, and it was as fun as you’d expect. As an actor, when you’re working with people you know, you feel comfortable taking risks that you wouldn’t normally take, knowing that no one is going to judge you, so I’m glad I finally said yes to one of my brother’s movies.”
Considering how well they work together in the The Disaster Artist, it may come as a surprise to some that Dave and James have previously avoided working together, but Dave has always had a very specific reason for not sharing the screen with his older brother.
“Without going too far into it, when I first started my career, I just wanted to distance myself from him in the work arena because I wanted to pave my own path and stand on my own two feet, but after a while I just thought ‘fuck it’; he’s my brother, I love him, we have a lot of similar sensibilities and are attracted to projects that are slightly outside the box, and this definitely falls into that category!”
James and Dave Franco on stage at the Prince Charles Cinema in London, England.
While the subject matter of The Disaster Artist is indeed very eclectic, the sheer absurdity of The Room inevitably begs the question how the Francos became acquainted with The Room in the first place. As the ringleader of the adaptation of Sestero and Bissell’s book, James recalls how he was introduced to Wiseau’s magnum opus.
“Unlike a lot of people, I didn’t see the movie for a long time; it came to me through the book, strangely. People like Jonah Hill, Kristen Bell and Paul Rudd were all early The Room fans, but I never got in on it, not until the book came out four years ago. I started reading it and it was incredible, so before I was half way through it, I ordered the DVD and watched it with friends; after being primed by the book and it’s incredible story, seeing the film was amazing. I knew it would be fun to recreate those scenes, but I also knew it wouldn’t be enough without the incredible backstory of these two friends and their dreams; everybody that comes to Hollywood dreams, and that universal appeal of the story would make this a movie that we could really hang a story on.”
Soon after, James went to a screening of The Room in Vancouver – which he applauds for its impressive amount of spoons – and here he met Sestero and told him that he wanted to make a movie based on his book. After falling in love with The Room and the story behind it, next on James’ agenda was to get Dave to participate in his project, but Dave was skeptical at first.
“He texted me one night and said ‘if you haven’t seen this movie, watch it immediately; we need to make our own movie about it!’ At the time, I was working in Boston and I watched The Room for the first time by myself in a hotel room, and that’s not the way to watch this movie; you want people to turn to and say ‘what the hell is going on?!’, so I finished that viewing feeling very unsettled and not knowing how to feel. But then soon after, I went to one of the midnight screenings and immediately understood the cult status of the movie, and since then we’ve both seen the movie 25-30 times.”
With his brother on board, the next step for James was to unlock how to become Tommy and channel his essence. Finding the book to be a great starting point, James would soon draw an unlikely parallel between Wiseau and one of Hollywood’s most iconic legends.
“Nobody knows Tommy better than Greg Sestero. In the book, Greg and Tom Bissell, the other writer, go into Tommy’s past a little bit, and they start to equate coming to America and escaping his surroundings with breaking into the movies. In that sense, that reading of the story was so powerful to me because it’s actually the story of James Dean in a way; James Dean lost his mother at age eight and his father sent him away to live with his aunt and uncle, and as a result he had this huge hole in his heart and soul and thought ‘if I make it into the movies, then I’ll be worth something, I’ll be loved’. And it was somewhat the same way with Tommy, that’s how I understood him.”
Greg Sestero and Tommy Wiseau outside the Prince Charles Cinema in London, England.
One of he many theories regarding the bafflingly odd plot of The Room suggests that the film may be a paraphrasing of Wiseau’s own life story in terms of how Tommy and The Room’s main character of Johnny are both seeing their lives and dreams fall apart.
“In our film, we get a little into the sense that Tommy kind of hits a bottom after just being completely rejected by the town, but in the book it gets even darker; Tommy was leaving messages, he might even have been suicidal right before he showed up with the script to The Room. When you think about it that way, it’s so moving to me because he is channeling this incredibly dark place and his feelings and bringing it into his film, where he commits suicide at the end. What that showed me was that not only did he take The Room very seriously when he made it, it may have saved his life.”
Putting all of his energy and a substantial chunk of his mysterious fortune into his film speaks volumes of Wiseau’s commitment, which is inspiring regardless of how terrible The Room turned out to be. Equally, Wiseau’s choice to embrace the infamy is a deeply fascinating example of adapting to circumstances out of one’s control, and the importance of these aspects was not lost on James.
“I have to say that I think Tommy’s done everyone a service by then rewriting history and saying that he intended The Room to be a comedy, because what he’s allowing us to do is laugh. He’s giving us permission to laugh because it is a kind of arrogance; the Tommy that is affably arrogant and claims that he intended to do it that way allows you to laugh at The Room, and that’s what’s so beautiful and very smart about Tommy. He’s capitalized on this ironic success, and when he comes to screenings like this, the energy is different, the laughter isn’t cruel, people love to see Tommy and it’s actually a very communal thing, and that’s an amazing gift that’s been given to all The Room fans.”
While Wiseau is the enigmatic force that draws most people to The Room, Greg Sestero is an equally important part of the cult surrounding the 2003 film, not least because he is the mastermind behind the book that added additional nuances to the bizarre nature of it all. He may seem normal compared to Tommy Wiseau – and who wouldn’t – but Dave assures the audience that while Sestero may appear normal on the surface, he is actually quite weird in his own right.
“The hardest part was the fact that Greg is making really poor decisions throughout our entire movie, and it was my job to try to justify all of those decisions and make the audience understand why he’s staying on this journey with this madman. I sat down with Greg a few times before we started filming and asked him about everything – basically, I wanted to know why he stuck it out with Tommy and why he was drawn to him in the first place. He talked a lot about how when you are a young actor – especially in his case and for a lot of actors – everyone in his life was telling him that he couldn’t do it, that it was not a possibility. But then he met Tommy, and as weird as he was, Tommy encouraged him, he was his ally, and that’s invaluable as a young actor.”
Greg Sestero getting spooned during a midnight screening of The Room.
Having gotten a good sense of what served as the foundation for Sestero’s friendship with Wiseau, Dave hoped to also gain insight into Sestero’s genuine thoughts about The Room when it was being shot.
“I really was curious if during production of The Room he ever thought that it could be a good movie. He claims that he didn’t, but I don’t fully believe it; as a young actor, there’s nothing more exciting than just getting on set, and once you’re there, you just give it everything you have. You have this blind ambition and think that everything’s going well, even if everyone from the outside recognize that what you’re doing is objectively bad. I’ve been in these scenarios where I’ve been on set and I thought everything was going great, people on set were talking about awards for the movie, and I bought into the hype, but then when the movie came out, not only was it not good, it was a full on piece of shit. It’s just one of those things where you’ll have these moments throughout your career where you’re giving it everything you have, and you still question if what you’re doing is actually good or a total mess, and I could really relate to Greg in that way.”
Once The Disaster Artist began filming, the production was not only tasked with creating a compelling visual style for the overarching story of Wiseau and Sestero’s friendship, they also had to give the faux behind-the-scenes footage a distinguishable, almost documentary-esque style without losing any of the necessary dramatic quality. Then there was of course the remakes of the iconic scenes from The Room, and recreating the bad filmmaking of Wiseau’s original film proved to be quite challenging.
“Seth Rogen and I had inadvertently practiced this kind of thing because we had recreated Kanye West’s Bound 2 video shot-for-shot a few years ago, but I remember that Brandon Trost, the cinematographer, approached it like a science experiment; he spent just as much time – if not more time – trying to match the really bad lighting of the original movie, and it was the same for all the other departments. It was a challenge, and at the end of the day, we knew we needed the key scenes that are always quoted and spoofed for the premiere scene in our movie, but it became so fun that we ended up having as much as 20-25 minutes of recreated scenes – definitely more than what you see anywhere in the movie!”
As anyone who has seen The Disaster Artist knows, recreations of The Room scenes is not the only element that has been taken directly from the original film, as Wiseau himself also makes an appearance in the film in an end credit sequence. However, while Wiseau had made appearing in the film a big contractual point, he and James were not on the same page.
“Tommy clearly hadn’t read his contract very well, as that said that all we had to do was shoot a scene with him, but we didn’t have to put it in the movie. I actually did want him in the movie, though, as I thought it would be a cool kind of Hitchcockian thing to have him in the background. So we originally had this whole storyline where Greg was doing another movie called Retro Puppet Master in Romania, and we had shot a couple of scenes in Romania and were gently suggesting to Tommy that maybe he’d fit in…”
As the crowd laughs heartily at James’ tongue-in-cheek attempt to persuade Wiseau to allow him to poke fun at his suspected Eastern Bloc heritage, he soon reveals that Tommy had very different plans for his cameo. Insisting that he would only do a scene for the film if he got to play opposite James, explaining to Wiseau that appearing together with his doppelgänger would be utterly nonsensical fell on deaf ears. Thus, James gave in to Tommy’s demands, but he also prepared to tell him that the scene might not end up in the final cut of the movie.
“We wrote this scene where my Tommy is at a party with Greg, and he’s realized that Greg has all these friends that my Tommy doesn’t, so he’s pouting in a corner when Henry – the real Tommy’s character – comes over. Then Tommy texted me from a glasses shop three days before we shot the scene to ask me if I thought his character should wear glasses… but he’d also drawn on a mustache and goatee with Bic pen, and he said that if I liked it, he’d draw it on better for the shoot.”
Tommy Wiseau and James Franco at Toronto International Film Festival.
Having had very limited exposure to Wiseau’s well-documented weirdness at this point, James was initially somewhat alarmed about what would happen once the eccentric was unleashed on set. Nonetheless, the team went ahead with Wiseau’s wardrobe suggestions, substituted the Bic pen for more believable fake facial hair – and then everyone was won over by Wiseau.
“He was incredibly sweet, but it was a surreal night; I interviewed him in character and he didn’t bat an eye – it was like being interviewed by himself was the most natural thing in the world! Then we shot his scene – which was all improv – and it doesn’t really play or read in the scene, but he was hitting on me! Only he wasn’t hitting on me – he was hitting on himself! It was like the ultimate version of picking yourself up, which was so bizarre. We did put it in the first assemblage of the cut, but both me and my editor looked at each other and immediately agreed that it was too insane to remain in the final cut.”
Alas, when James decided that he wanted to feature side-by-side comparisons of his recreations of certain The Room scenes alongside the originals in the end credits, the contractual loopholes that had seemed as a fail-safe to leave Wiseau on the cutting room floor were rendered useless. Thus, with renegotiation being unavoidable, the aforementioned scene ended up being saved from fading into bonus material obscurity.
“Those recreated scenes were covered by the original contract, but we hadn’t negotiated for Tommy’s The Room footage because we didn’t know we were going to use it. In the middle of the renegotiation, he asks someone how his scene is coming along, and he ends up insisting that we put his scene in our movie in exchange for his footage. We’d thought that he wasn’t going to touch our movie, but he got his way in the end. I’m actually so glad that he pushed us to do it because we figured out we could just do it Marvel-style with an end credit sequence, and that that would be perfect for audiences like the one here in London, so it all worked out.”
With all the awards buzz The Disaster Artist has already generated, not to mention the thunderous applause it received from the select group of devotees on the cold November eve of this particular preview screening at the London home of The Room, it seems safe to conclude that James Franco’s adaptation of Greg Sestero’s book is a success in terms of its appeal as a slice of cinematic artistry. However, does Wiseau’s opinion of The Disaster Artist mirror the general consensus about the film? Dave shares his recollection of Wiseau’s first impression of their film.
“Tommy made the choice not to see our movie until we premiered it at SXSW, so he watched it for the first time with a thousand people. We were nervous about what he would think, but we figured he’d like it, just because we make him very sympathetic and human. During the screening, we were trying to look down the aisle to see what he was thinking, but he has his fucking sunglasses on, completely blank face, so I didn’t know what he thought, but the rest of the audience seemed to be liking it.”
Seth Rogen, Tommy Wiseau, James Franco, Greg Sestero and Dave Franco at SXSW.
Afterwards, the brothers anxiously approached Wiseau to ask him what he thought about their film. As numerous interviews have since revealed, Wiseau did indeed approve of The Disaster Artist – well, at least 99.9% of it. Initially claiming that the 0.01% he disliked about it was the lighting in the beginning, suggesting that it was a little too dark – which Dave points out may have had something to do with the fact that Wiseau was wearing sunglasses – Wiseau has since confronted James about how he has recounted their conversation.
“I told that story a bunch and he decided he didn’t like how he came off, so when we saw him at TIFF in Toronto, the first thing he says to me is that he never said it was the lighting. I told him I had no reason to make that story up, but he insisted that he’d never said that, and that the 0.01% he disliked was because of how I threw the football… You know, because he’s all-American and grew up throwing footballs…”
As the Prince Charles Cinema audience once again erupts in laughter at James’ sarcastic jab at Wiseau’s rather absurd nitpicking and questionable claims to be born and bred in America, James goes on to recount a recent interaction with Tommy that not only reaffirms how much of a labor of love making The Disaster Artist truly was to him, but also how endearing he finds Wiseau.
“Last week, we had some press with him in LA and then Greg texted me after, saying that he and Tommy were at Canter’s, the deli they read the script in and actually did hang out at. He says I should come and surprise him, so I showed up, and I call it ‘Honest Tommy Day’ because the first thing he said was that The Room wasn’t exactly the way he intended to be, but that he gets a reaction from audience and that that’s all he could’ve hoped for.”
Startled by this admission, James continues to talk about the meeting at Canter’s, sharing that Wiseau confided in him that he had seen The Disaster Artist three times at this point, and that he finds it very moving. This reaction may seem biased, but the film has indeed been commended for how it manages to be moving in between the laughter it constantly provokes, and keeping this balance was always at the forefront of James’ mind to ensure that Wiseau was done justice.
“Tonally, there was always a fine line to walk with this movie; the intention was to make it funny, but we didn’t approach it like an out-and-out comedy. Stopping short of Tommy saying he was going to commit suicide was a way of keeping that tonal balance and still making you really feel for him and understand that he was somebody whose dreams were being crushed.”
Maintaining this balance also stretched towards what the film was supposed to convey about the three questions Wiseau is always asked and always avoids to answer – how old he is, where he is from and how he made his money.
“As far as his past goes, we realized we wanted to maintain the mystery surrounding him because that’s one of the beauties of Tommy. We did touch on the three mysteries, but the point of the movie was not to unravel those mysteries, it was to actually reaffirm them because they are such a huge part of Tommy’s persona. What we did want to reveal is the emotional inner life of Tommy that you don’t necessarily get to experience when Tommy comes and does these Q&A’s himself; he’s everybody that has a dream, he’s everybody that is an outsider, and everybody that wants to break into an incredibly hard business like Hollywood, he understands what it’s like to struggle and face rejection… And that’s what The Disaster Artist is about – keeping the mystery and revealing the emotion.”
The Disaster Artist is in theaters now